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Extinction Rebellion cofounder Clare Farrell on moving from hope to action

“Hope for me feels like the opposite of admitting that you have to do it. ‘I hope someone else will fix it.’ That’s a disaster. Hope dies and action begins.” — Extinction Rebellion cofounder Clare Farrell

Extinction Rebellion cofounder Clare Farrell on moving from hope to action
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Scientist Jeff Hammerbacher on what gets measured

“It makes me uneasy when I think about how much corporations are measuring about human interactions today and not making considered decisions about what gets measured. Deciding what gets measured is a political and ethical choice." — Jeff Hammerbacher

Scientist Jeff Hammerbacher on what gets measured
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Artist Hank Willis Thomas on playing infinite games

“A lot of people that I have come to admire are infinite game players stuck in a finite game… Playing outside of the rules of the game, and making up our own rules, but somehow still abiding by the boundaries of the finite game that our society has created for us.” — Hank Willis Thomas

Artist Hank Willis Thomas on playing infinite games
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Professor Mariana Mazzucato on how to create value

“I think of it like a fight, like guerrilla warfare. You build up your adrenaline to do it. Even though it might be easier to do research, you’re on the front line repeating your message.” — Mariana Mazzucato

Professor Mariana Mazzucato on how to create value
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Doughnut Economics author Kate Raworth on the century of natural data

“These ideas are in the ether. There's this lovely quote from André Gide: ‘Everything that needs to be said has already been said, but since nobody was listening it has to be said again.’” — Kate Raworth

Doughnut Economics author Kate Raworth on the century of natural data
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Author David Wallace Wells on the new economics of climate

“The conditions of possibility have really changed. The landscape used to look tilted against decarbonization. Now it's tilted towards decarbonization.” — David Wallace Wells

Author David Wallace Wells on the new economics of climate
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Venture capitalist Albert Wenger on fighting the climate crisis

“Whenever we've done anything successfully it's taken both entrepreneurial initiative and government getting things right. We shouldn't be denigrating the other side. We should be figuring out the most effective way to work together to save humanity.” — Albert Wenger

Venture capitalist Albert Wenger on fighting the climate crisis
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BBC Senior Research Scientist Lianne Kerlin on moving to a world beyond consumption

“We’re working towards a world beyond consumption. Where reach and consumption are clearly important things to measure, but they're not the only measures of success.” — BBC Senior Research Scientist Lianne Kerlin

BBC Senior Research Scientist Lianne Kerlin on moving to a world beyond consumption
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Author Heather McGhee on defining a new us

“As long as we're divided, we’re conquered. Solidarity dividends [are] these things that we can gain through collective action across lines of race that we can't do on our own. That's the new economic model.” — Heather McGhee

Author Heather McGhee on defining a new us
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Roundtable: What to measure and what not to measure

“How do we connect the values that we inherently have to what gets measured?” — Silka Sietsma, Head of Emerging Design at Adobe

Roundtable: What to measure and what not to measure